justice jackson, in her dissent, was right on the money. this just does not comport with reality. i don't know what the justices were thinking. i know what the trump justices were thinking. but look, this is a blank check to the trump administration to continue to do great damage while the supreme court thinks about whether or not it's actually legal or not. that's that's insane. and it's reckless. >> it does seem to me like firing a bunch of people as a bell. it's pretty hard to unring. but what do i know? i'm not a supreme court justice. senator chris van hollen, thank you so much for your time tonight. appreciate it. good to be with you. thanks, chris. that is all in on this tuesday night. the briefing with jen psaki starts right now. good evening jen. >> hey chris. >> i know you've. >> been. >> covering and paying attention. >> to this because i watch your show a. >> lot and so have i been. just about. >> the. >> last ice agents. >> going around not. >> identifying themselves. this

struck. >> i. >> think, both. >> of. >> us, when we saw. >> what happened. >> in new jersey. >> a couple of several weeks ago. and today, democratic senators cory. >> booker and alex padilla. >> put forward. >> introduced legislation. >> to prohibit federal. agents from. >> performing masked. >> unidentified arrests. >> which. >> again. >> i know they're not. >> in control. >> of the. >> senate. >> but it does. >> tell you. >> how important this is. >> of an. >> issue this is and. >> how people are really paying. >> attention to it. >> yeah, and i think it's become a focal point for a good reason. first of all, i think esthetically there's a revulsion, right, that it doesn't feel like the thing you see in a democracy in which even the coercive parts of the state fundamentally are accountable to and work for citizens. but there's also real practical concerns about anyone being able to impersonate actual law enforcement to do anything they want to people, which is a genuine practical concern here. and it's been happening. it's been happening. there are so many. >> cases across the. country

where people are. >> impersonating ice agents. >> it's also a risk. to ice agents. >> as well, who. >> could confront people who. >> are. >> angry and want to do something they shouldn't be doing if they're. not identifying themselves. >> so. >> yeah, it's a it's a. >> real issue and one that's obviously risen. >> we're going to. >> talk about it a lot, but have a great. >> have a great night. >> thanks, jen. >> all right. we're going. >> to talk about. >> with senator padilla in just a moment. >> but before. >> we get. >> there. >> have you ever heard the expression rearranging. >> the deck. >> chairs on the titanic? >> i'm sure you have. i mean, it's supposed. >> to be an unbelievable exaggeration of someone engaging in a. trivial task. >> during a crisis. >> today, trump one upped it. today. we all watched in. >> horror as we saw the death toll. climb in. >> the. >> flooding in texas. >> to 109 people. >> there are. >> at. >> least. >> 161 people still missing, and. >> an active. >> search and. rescue mission. the situation. >> in. >> texas is very much an ongoing

crisis. >> it's not just there. >> that is. >> where it's most. >> serious, of course, but the people. >> of north. >> carolina and south carolina. >> are also recovering from. >> storms. >> and hurricane season is. >> far from over. >> and the people. >> who are in communities that are continuously. >> hit every. year very. >> much know that. >> and that. >> was all the backdrop. >> of donald. >> trump's cabinet meeting today, where he. >> he. >> addressed the ongoing federal. response near the beginning of the meeting and announced. >> he. >> will. >> be visiting. texas and the area impacted. >> on friday. >> but he also had another pressing. >> matter he. >> felt the need. >> to address in that meeting. >> he spent almost. >> 15 minutes. >> talking about. >> how he redecorated. >> the cabinet room. >> of the. >> white house. >> i actually spent time in the vaults. the vaults are where we have a lot of great pictures and artwork, and i picked it all myself. that's andrew jackson, that's a gentleman named, and we call him president polk. he was sort of a real estate guy. and

then you have dwight eisenhower, who was a very underrated president. and then over there is honest abe lincoln. and then over here you have john adams. we got the drapes that we got the whole thing. we got new drapes here. we put on, you know, these these lamps have been very important actually. we also painted the room a nice color, beige. the only question is will i gold leaf the corners? you could maybe tell me my cabinet could take a vote. linda, do you have an opinion? who would? gold leaf it? could i erase you? how about would you gold leaf it? >> who would gold. >> leaf it? just a typical. >> question at a cabinet meeting. >> look, i love that. room to. >> anybody who's in it. >> been in it. >> love the room. >> or probably seen it on tv. probably loves the room. but painting the ceilings gold isn't exactly a pressing issue. >> for trump's. >> cabinet right now. of course it's not. but it does. >> tell you a. >> little. bit about where trump's head is at. >> the reality. >> is that trump doesn't think natural disasters. >> should be his problem at all.

>> i mean. >> from the very first week of his new term. >> trump has. >> proposed getting rid of. >> fema altogether, just. >> eliminating it. because in trump's view, the federal government shouldn't. >> have to deal with emergencies. >> that task should. >> be left to the states. and as he sees it, the only. role he should really play here is being the point person. on whether. states get anything. >> from the federal. >> government. >> at all. he loves. >> to have that power. >> remember, this is what trump said just last month. just last month, when. >> asked whether. >> he would let. his personal views of california's. democratic governor. >> get. in the way of. >> delivering. >> wildfire relief. >> well. >> your recent. >> dust ups with governor newsom impacts. >> additional wildfire. >> relief out there. >> they've requested. >> 40 billion. >> hatred is never a good thing in politics. when you don't like somebody, don't respect somebody. it's harder for that person to get money. >> the idea of. a president, any president. >> weaponizing fema like that.

>> which is essentially weaponizing. >> disaster relief. >> that people in red. states and blue. >> states. >> and purple. >> states and people aren't political at. >> all. >> depends on. >> all to punish. >> political enemies. is obviously unbelievably alarming. >> it should alarm. >> everybody, even people who. >> voted for him. like california. texas is, of course, a red state. >> with. >> a republican governor and plenty of trump supporters. so if trump was going to. help any state, you'd think it would be a state. >> like texas. >> and he did sign. >> a major. >> disaster declaration within days of the flood. >> but what's unclear right now is how much help fema is capable of providing anymore, even when trump wants to provide it. because for months now we have seen report after report of. >> people. >> inside fema warning that the agency hasn't. >> been preparing. >> for disasters. >> the way. >> it normally does. >> in fact, the agency. >> has reportedly. >> been losing employees at such an alarming rate rather than staffing up to. >> prepare for disaster. >> season, which. >> is. >> normally what they. >> would be doing.

>> during this period. >> of time. texas, where there. >> are, again. >> at least 161. >> people. unaccounted for. >> sources within fema. told independent journalists. >> that, quote. >> barely any. >> staff members. >> deployed. >> as one fema. >> staffer put it, quote. >> we are doing. >> a. >> lot less than normal. and the acting fema administrator, david richardson, is, quote, nowhere to be found. now, this is important because. recovery in a. >> place like. >> texas is not. >> one day or four days. >> it's weeks. >> it's months. >> it could be. >> years in some places. that's why it's important. and given the. relative silence from the head of fema, you might be wondering what his boss, secretary of homeland security kristi noem. oversees the department right now. is she stepping in? >> i think. >> you know the answer. well, yesterday, in the midst of this crisis, kristi noem was asking her followers on social media to vote for their favorite portrait of her to hang in the. >> south dakota. >> state capitol. of course. and no, i. >> am not in any. >> way joking. i thought it was

a joke when i. >> first saw it. >> it wasn't a joke. i mean, they could pick between what appears to be an oil painting of. >> her in a cowboy hat. >> on a horse, or her in. >> a cowboy hat on a horse. >> or for some variety. >> i suppose her in a cowboy hat. >> on a horse. >> so that's. >> where her head is at. beyond how presidents and cabinet officials spend their time, though, another way to gauge their priorities is by looking at how they spend their money. that's a key. >> part of how government. >> funding helps people. governments help people, and what trump is trying to gut fema. >> and has been from the beginning. he is at. >> the same. >> time supercharging another. >> part of dhs. i mean, trump's big ugly budget bill that he signed into. >> law with. >> a lot. >> of dramatic. >> flair on friday, is set to skyrocket. the funding given. >> to the immigration. >> enforcement arm. >> of. >> the. >> department of homeland security, ice alone is set to receive more funding than almost every military in the world, and yesterday we saw an example. >> of how. >> some of that money could be used when 17 humvees, four

tactical vehicles, two ambulances, 90 national guard members and a small army of armed masked federal agents on foot and on horseback descended upon macarthur park in los angeles. and that's some of the footage that we're showing. >> you right now in the background. >> and while this show of militarized. >> force was. >> supposedly for an immigration raid more than 24 hours later, it's still unclear. >> if anyone. >> was arrested. >> at all, and the department of homeland security is refusing. >> to give. >> a straight answer on that either. so what is pretty. >> clear is that this show of force was. in fact. just a show. >> i mean, a cameraman embedded with the agents documented everything they did. i wouldn't be surprised at all. neither should you be. >> if dhs. >> releases a slick video of. the entire thing. so fema. >> is effectively on the chopping block. >> while people across the country. prepare for more disasters. while ice is getting a windfall from trump's big, ugly budget. and then there's

the. immigration prison. the trump administration is calling alligator alcatraz down in florida. it's a massive, purposefully terrifying facility, which is estimated to cost around. $450 million. >> a. >> year to operate, funded, in large part. wait for it. i think you know the answer here by fema. that is. >> where. >> hundreds of millions of dollars of fema funding is. >> slated to go this year to alligator alcatraz. >> so again, these are. >> the trump. >> administration's priorities in the midst of a real natural disaster. they're shortchanging emergency relief while empowering an already completely out of control police force. >> you have to. >> show. >> you have to show. >> this is like the very basics. >> this is the very basic. >> if you have. >> an idea. >> and of course you can. >> take her. >> 000 no. >> oh. no no no. >> no no. >> no no. >> are you kidding me, old man? what you're doing. >> is kidnaping. >> that was video out. >> of los angeles.

>> from two. >> weeks ago, showing masked. federal agents forcibly pulling a street. vendor into an unmarked. >> car while. >> ref unfortunately, the practice of federal immigration agents wearing >> refusing to identify themselves has become a norm. >> we talk. >> about. >> it a lot on the show and all across the country we have seen again and again as people are dragged from the street by armed masked men. well, not being able to actually determine if those men are in fact law enforcement. this has been happening for months now. two days after this incident, los angeles, which got plenty of coverage in the press, senators asked attorney general pam. >> bondi, the. >> top law enforcement officer in the. >> country, about the. >> practice of agents refusing to. >> identify themselves. >> and bondi claimed it was the first she had heard of it. >> how are you going to ensure that the. >> safety of the. >> public and the officers. >> if they. continue to. >> not follow required. >> protocol to identify themselves. >> as. >> law enforcement?

>> and senator peters, that's the first time that issue has come to me about them. you're saying that law enforcement officers, when they cover their faces, really? >> i mean, are you living under a rock? again? this has been happening for months. and pam bondi claims she had no idea. now, days before attorney general bondi made that claim, the mayor of huntington park, california, directed his city's police to force federal agents to identify. >> themselves during arrests. >> within days, the huntington. >> park police. >> arrested a man they believe was attempting to impersonate federal agents. i should note that the man in question denies. >> those allegations. >> but when he was arrested, he had. >> fake dhs. >> documents, a loaded gun, an unmarked car and radios with a sheet containing us customs and border control. >> radio codes. >> the man had been arrested years earlier for human trafficking. now, in a normal world, which we're obviously not in federal agents operating in a way that makes it easy. >> for bad. >> actors to impersonate them

would. >> be a. >> top priority for. >> the attorney general. but it's apparently not even on pam bondi's radar. never heard of it. this isn't a new issue at all, and in the first ten days of trump's new term, a man was arrested in north carolina for allegedly impersonating an ice officer. >> to. >> sexually assault someone. >> back in april, a woman in. >> florida allegedly posed as an ice agent to. kidnap her ex-boyfriend's wife. in june. we saw multiple instances. >> of. >> people posing as ice to rob people. last week, the mayor of. >> burbank. >> california. told the. press about the kinds of questions she's being asked by her constituents. >> questions like. >> how can i know if the masked man detaining me is. >> ice or a kidnaper? >> or who can protect me if a masked man with a. >> gun refuses. >> to identify himself? again, these are the kinds of issues that, in a normal world, would be a five alarm fire for an attorney general. and frankly, for a president to. apparently not, though. well, the trump administration, though, is sitting on their hands. democrats are not. >> today. >> democratic senators cory booker and alex padilla

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>> of california. he is sponsoring legislation which i just mentioned that would require immigration officers to display clear identification. so let's start there. it's great to see you. thank you for being here. we've talked. >> about this. >> a lot on the show. you hear it? i know so much from constituents, from family members, from everybody who's living in and around la. your bill not only requires clearly legible identification, it prohibits face coverings and obscure that obscures identity, with exceptions for officer safety, like if they're undercover or things along those lines. i just heard some examples of this. but tell me from from your end why you felt it was so important to put forward this legislation. >> well, first of all, the importance and the urgency because of not just fear, jen, but actual terror that people are feeling not just in los angeles, but especially in los angeles, because it's clearly donald trump's target right now. and as you mentioned, the bill is actually pretty straightforward. you know, no face coverings, no masks with with certain exemptions to that requirement for some, something

identifiable on the body. right. what agency do you work for. is it ice. is it somebody else. and in most instances it would be a name. there's a genuine concern about safety of some federal agents. and so maybe just a badge number or something identifiable for purposes of accountability. and we were strategic in crafting it by working with former ice agents and former leadership of ice to try to balance these concerns, because, i mean, if you're out in the streets in los angeles, whether you're a citizen or legal resident or an undocumented immigrant and somebody without these identifiers is approaching, you masked up, coming out of a parked car, you have no idea what's going on. and so i'm glad you shared some of the stories of ice impersonators that are out there. i mean, it's dangerous for community and dangerous for the agents themselves, because you never know how a person on the street is going to react when they think they're getting kidnaped. >> it is frightening. >> and we've. watched a lot of

the video, and we've tried to play a lot of it on the show as well. i wanted to ask you, i mean, trump's big ugly bill, as i like to call it, was signed into law with dramatic flair on friday. it included $170 billion for immigration enforcement. and we've heard over and over again, republicans and trump supporter or trump administration officials defend this as saying they're going after the criminals, they're going after the criminals. and we are anti gaslighting here. so we want to unpack this, but i want to play you something stephen miller said about this, which kind of i think is quite telling what they're after. let's play it. >> what has it done to our schools? what has. >> it done to our hospitals? >> what has it done to just. traffic in. >> our cities? every issue that affects. >> our quality of life. jesse. public safety, drugs, crime, education. >> health care, waiting in. >> the emergency. room are all. >> exacerbated. >> worsened and. >> undermined by. >> mass illegal immigration. >> he's sort of saying a version of the evil quiet part out loud

there in terms of what he wants to do. what concerns do you have about what they could do with this money? >> yeah. i mean, first of all, talk about grievance, right? yeah. and it's part of the cruelty of the bill for all the focus there was rightfully so on the cuts to health care, cuts to the social safety net, all the cuts, cuts, cuts in the federal budget, nutrition assistance programs to fund tax breaks for billionaires. right. overlooking all of that was the one area of the federal budget that saw significant increases. ice, not just immigration, detentions, enforcement, deportations, but the scaling up of ice to be the largest federal law enforcement agency in the land in short order, without a change in policy. so all this cruelty that you're seeing is not just going to be scaled up. when people ask me, what does the budget mean for immigration enforcement? it's more of the same, if not actually worse. it's sadly the

track that we're going on. so we need these measures like the identifiable markers and the no masks for ice. and hopefully the information that we can get through our oversight to truly target the enforcement actions at the dangerous, violent criminals. i've said it before, and i'll say it again if that was truly the target, we wouldn't be having this debate. there would be no disagreement. but because the vast majority of the folks being detained deported, many without due process, being the same essential workers that the trump administration recognized at the outset of the covid 19 pandemic. that's the cruel irony, and it's only a matter of time before we all start literally paying the price in so many sectors of the economy. >> let me just ask you, i mean, yesterday armed federal officials, we've talked about this. my colleague chris hayes just talked about this, descended on a mostly empty macarthur park in los angeles. there have been no information from dhs about whether they arrested anyone, if they had a video camera and a video person with them. have you learned any

more about what that was about? what do you think. >> about the reports and the data that we received was after that whole spectacle, right. because this is what donald trump wants. he wants the theatrics. he wants to send the message and escalate the terror that people are feeling. zero detentions, zero arrests. after all that, i mean, macarthur park is an iconic park near downtown los angeles, and folks locally who are paying attention knew that there was a summer camp for kids at the park literally just minutes before the staging of not just ice agents masked up once again, but mounted on horses. you know, the whole the cavalry was there, military assault weapons striking fear in the neighborhood for quite a bit of time? at what expense of taxpayer dollars? again, zero detention, zero arrests. just donald trump trying to send a message and add more content for their social media. that's all that they got out of this. taxpayers are footing the bill. >> we're waiting for the slick video. and i hate to predict

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often because they think there is some sort of demand for their leadership from the american people, i guess has been a constant in this country. from billionaire ross perot to starbucks founder howard schultz to tech bro andrew yang. all of them have tried and failed to topple america's two party system. now, thanks to a bitter friendship breakup, i guess you could call it with donald trump and elon musk. elon musk has become the latest rich egomaniac to fall into this trap. over the weekend, musk announced he would be forming a new political party called the america party. he says the america party would caucus independently from either republicans or democrats, making them the deciding vote, in his words, on all matters that divide the two parties. okay? and in characteristic musk fashion, he's already bragging about just how easy this will all be, tweeting that breaking the two party system is not hard tbh. but new reporting about this nascent effort confirms what you have probably already

guessed. elon musk has no idea what he's doing at all. i mean, here's how the new york times described it. quote as many as with many of his tweet length proclamations, mr. musk plans for the new party are opaque. his private conversations about it so far have been conceptual and not focused on the details of what it would take to bring it to fruition, according to two people briefed on those talks, mr. musk's team has not yet taken many operational steps to stand up the party, and he has ingested feedback about the effort, including what the party's logo should look like from grok, his company's artificial intelligence chatbot. elon musk had to ask his ai chatbot how to start. his third party can make it up now. as a side note, that's the same ai chatbot that went rogue today and started spewing anti-semitic hate while calling itself mecca hitler. yes, that also really happened today. the truth is that there are a lot of barriers to building a new political party in this country, a lot. i mean, for starters, every state has its own unique laws for how

to get on the ballot. as election law expert rick hasen points out, the state of new york, for example, expressly prohibits a political party from having american or part of that name in a party title, which seems like a huge problem right out of the gate for elon musk's america party, as he calls it. but the biggest impediment to musk's idea is the american political system itself. i mean, america has what's called a first past the post elections. sorry, that's a tongue twister system, meaning whichever party gets the most votes wins. and when whenever a third party enters the picture, they inevitably become a spoiler for the major party that most closely aligns with their views, like, say, ralph nader in 2000 or jill stein in 2016. elon musk just spent the last six months taking a hatchet to the federal government and making an enemy of democratic voters, basically everywhere. so it's really hard to see how a new political party born of that legacy would attract any left leaning voters

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>> washington. >> send in a mechanic. >> and joining me now for his first national tv interview since announcing his run is dan osborne. it's great to see you. i mean, first let me ask, i mean, trump, you've been critical of the big ugly bills. i like to call it trump. trump signed it into law on friday. you announced her running today. is that a coincidence? >> no, it's not a coincidence. you know that that bill's. >> got some. >> some things in. >> it that aren't horrible, right? >> no tax on tips. i've been preaching that forever. no tax on overtime. i've lived my whole life working overtime. >> and you know, those. >> those things, although they fall short in their language, they're not bad things. >> but you know. >> what's what these things are going. >> to hurt is. >> you know, small. >> farmers and ranchers are. >> going to struggle with the commodity prices. they're going to be filing for bankruptcy, and we're going to get more consolidation. >> in corporate farming. >> and i. >> don't have. >> to. >> tell you. >> that's bad.

>> that's bad for the land. it's bad for the environment, it's. >> bad for farmers, and it's bad for the people. >> who work the land. >> the other issue that you know well is going to impact people of nebraska is the impact on rural hospitals. and the president of the nebraska hospital association told the new york times that because of the new law, six rural nebraska hospitals could close in. six more are in danger. i know you've thought a lot about the impact of this bill on people there. do you think that is enough to stick with people in a state that is a pretty red state? >> people are scared. you know, i've talked to people on the phone. i'm hoping to get out to curtis, nebraska. we've had our. >> first hospital. >> closed or announced a closure already. i'm going to get out there and get. a sense. >> of where people's heads. >> are at. and they're they're definitely nervous. you know, if you have to drive an extra 90 miles to go get health care, that's. >> that's it's dangerous, right? >> it doesn't matter. >> if you're sick. >> there's no republicans or democrats at. >> the at the.

>> emergency room. people need a doctor. they need a doctor. and this to me. >> is frustrating. >> and, you know. >> i think the only. >> thing pete ricketts has. >> really done for. >> rural nebraska is to dress up like dime store dutton and in his cowboy gear and go on parades. you know, i'm fed up with people like pete ricketts. i'm fed up. >> with the. >> the line that they feed people in rural nebraska and they keep falling short. >> and who. >> who gains. well is. >> billionaires buddies do. so i got a problem with that. >> that's why we're taking them on. >> you know, as you know. well, because you came close to in your last race here it's all about contrast. and you've said some things. you've been critical of trump on some other things you have less critical. one of them is on border security. and today you said that you still align with trump on border security. i think people are just getting to know you. they want to kind of know what that means, because there have been a lot of his actions related to immigration since he took office have been enforcement related actions,

including additional funding for ice and the conducted a raid tag meat plant workers in omaha. how do you feel about that raid and this increase in funding in the bill? >> well, i'll tell you what. i served this country. >> in. >> the navy and nebraska army national guard. i love this country. i would do it all over again if i had the choice. and i want to be clear, without a border, we don't have a country. i think biden failed on the border. i'll say it. i don't got a problem saying it. but when it comes to immigration, we haven't had any kind of meaningful immigration reform in this country since i've been alive. we have to have some humane immigration reform. this is a congress issue. you know, we need more judges. we need more lawyers. people want to come here and work. they should be able. >> to come. >> here and work on visas. and, you know, it's starting to hurt our industries. we need these people. we need these people in the hotels. and look, they just want to come. >> up here and.

>> work just like just like i do. we all get up and we want to live in some. >> semblance of peace. >> go to. >> work and go home and watch netflix. that's what we want to do and be able to eat. and. >> you know. >> i don't talk to anybody on a regular basis. that's anti-immigration. nobody. people just want to know what's being done, right. they want to know what's being done safely. they want to know we're vetting people. and you know why we're stuck in this two party doom loop? the corporations run away, you know, with with getting more money and exploiting labor and continue to enrich themselves and then bankroll campaigns. well, they're not bankrolling mine. >> immigrants are definitely a driver of industries around the country. i asked the question. i mean, first of all, there was a bipartisan border deal that was quite conservative that trump killed during the biden administration. but i asked this because a lot of what trump has done and the trump administration has not been trying to work to get an immigration bill passed. they have focused their efforts on immigration enforcement and

putting sending ice agents out to go after and deport and even kidnap people in communities who are not criminals and don't have criminal records. so what do you think about that approach and that priority. >> due process. >> is. american as apple pie and baseball people deserve due process. that's all i need to say about that. >> dan osborne, thank you so much. i know you just announced you got a lot to do. i appreciate you taking the time to join me this evening. >> thank you. >> up next, the long road to recovery in texas from that devastating flooding is ongoing. we've been talking about it already, and we're going to talk to former fema administrator deanne criswell about the response, what other states should expect and what should should expect and what should happen now. upset stomach iberogast indigestion iberogast bloating iberogast thanks to a unique combination of herbs, iberogast helps relieve six digestive symptoms to help you feel better. six digestive symptoms. the power of nature. iberogast. (tony hawk) i still love to surf, snowboard, the power of nature. and of course, skate,

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>> my resident was the one that called 911. he was trying to get to the family and all the way to water, all the way to his waist and debris hitting him, and he was yelling, please throw me your baby. and they couldn't. and they got swept away. >> i was just one story from the devastating flood in texas over the weekend, where severe floods have killed at least 110 people, including 30 children, and at least 161 people remain missing. there have been incredible stories of heroism from camp counselors and community members to the coast guard, but the road to recovery for these communities is just beginning. according to reporting today from independent journalist marissa kabas, the federal recovery response from fema has been both delayed and deficient under the leadership of dhs secretary kristi noem, the current deployment of staff and resources is reportedly far less

than normal, and this is before we've even reached the peak of hurricane season. however, today, noem continued to defend the trump administration's efforts despite trump's stated plans to eventually gut the agency altogether. joining me now is someone who has led federal emergency response efforts, former fema administrator deanne criswell. it's so great to see you. i've been wanting to talk to you all weekend to understand what is going on and what can happen here at this point in the recovery effort. and i mentioned and i mentioned at the top of the show, this is really just the beginning. i learned that from you, from working with you. these recovery efforts can be weeks, months, even years. what what can and should fema be doing right now? >> jan, as i continue to watch these numbers rise and the number of fatalities and people missing, and this is just catastrophic, and that community is going to have a long time to recover, not just from the physical damage, but from the emotional damage as well. and so

the things that fema should be supporting right now are, one, the continued efforts to try to find all of those that are unaccounted for. fema has 28 urban search and rescue teams that are trained to go into this kind of debris and look for individuals that are missing. and they have equipment that helps them. but very few of them have been deployed under the federal system. some have been sent through the emergency management assistance compact, which is basically mutual aid state to state. and that's great. but they should have more moving in there so they can do this as quickly as possible and give those families some closure. but they also need to start thinking about what this recovery is, that debris removal is going to be a complicated process. i would assume that the state of texas probably has contracts in place to support that debris removal. they are a very capable state, but it's going to take time and they may need additional assistance to do that. and so these are the types of things that fema would be working with the state of texas

to support them, as they have needs that they can't fill. then fema can either tap into other federal agencies or use their own contracts to come in and support. but with the current restrictions of like the $100,000 limit on contracts or assignments to other federal agencies or grants, it's really slowing down that process and the ability for fema to be proactive and get resources in place even before they're needed. >> to go. to just your last point you made, because this is sort of there's an impact of underfunding and cutting staff, and there's been a range of reports, and we don't have them confirmed about how many staff are actually on the ground at this point in time. what do you make? and this is this is not blaming a particular person, but what do you make from what you can see of how understaffed they may be or what needs are not being met. and you've touched on some of them. i just wanted to dig into it more specifically. >> yeah, jen, i think, you know, the first thing that they would send is an incident management

assistance team that sits side by side with that state director embeds in that state emergency management office so they can work together. and i do believe one of those teams has been deployed, but they also are going to be talking. that team is going to be talking to them about other resources. we would typically send out what we call disaster survivor assistance teams. these individuals that can go out, walk the community door to door, go into places where people are shelters, churches, community centers and help people get registered for assistance or understand what their needs are, and actually even help match them up with other nonprofits and other non-governmental agencies. but that program has been stopped as far as i know. i haven't heard anything differently, and that's such a critical resource to bring government to the people instead of making people come find the government. and then we would send additional staff out there into the community that again, while we liaison with the state, we also want to liaison with that, that local emergency

manager, that county emergency manager, so we can solve problems at the time that they're needed instead of delays. >> before i let you go, i just wanted to ask you about i mean, we're far from the end of hurricane and storm season here, as you know very well, i mentioned at the top of the show north carolina and south carolina, much less severe, but they're still recovering those communities. what kristi noem, the dhs secretary, seemed to double down on the gutting of fema today. and i just would love for you to lay out in the minute we have left here what that could mean for all these communities that are preparing in this moment, where it could be at the height of, of natural disasters. well. >> i'll just start by saying that all disasters are locally executed, state managed and federally supported. fema doesn't come in unless it exceeds their capability, and then they support that state and local jurisdiction. texas is a very capable, well-resourced state. they needed assistance and asked for assistance for this event. what happens to the

states and the communities that have less resources? it's just going to make it harder for them to respond and recover. >> what do you think? i'm just cheating now because i now want to ask you another question. what do you think these communities wouldn't have? because they wouldn't. they're supported by federal resources. but what does that mean? they won't have when the next natural disasters hit? unfortunately, because they will in some of these communities on the coast and otherwise. >> well, just think about the urban search and rescue teams, right. there are 28 federally managed urban search and rescue teams, but these are made up of state and local first responders. and then they're funded and trained by fema. if fema goes away, what happens to that funding? what happens to that capability? and what we saw in texas that many of these teams were requested, again, through a state mutual aid agreement. they get reimbursed for those costs through the presidential disaster declaration. and so i can see where there's going to be difficulty in adjudicating those resources or even finding a way

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